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Marvin — Dinosaurs and Fossils

I have been reading some of your essays on the website and I canít believe you would offer such poor arguments and then solicit visitors through advertisement. I will offer a few discrepancies that stood out readily. In the dinosaur topic, you suggest that they were the contemporaries of man. We have solidified fossils of dinosaurs embedded in rock matrix yet there are no such modern human fossils found yet. Add to that the fact that the fossilization process takes more than 6,000 years to happen and your contentions fall apart.
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Marvin — Dinosaurs and Fossils

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GOD SAID, Genesis 1:1:

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Exodus, chapter 20, verse 11:

For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God created all things, and according to the scriptures, He did it in just over 6,000 years ago.

MAN SAID, "Foolishness! We evolved out of nothing over billions of years."

NOW THE RECORD. Recently we received an e-mail from Marvin who challenged and ridiculed Godsaidmansaid.com. The first part of his e-mail follows verbatim.

I have been reading some of your essays on the website and I can’t believe you would offer such poor arguments and then solicit visitors through advertisement. I will offer a few discrepancies that stood out readily. In the dinosaur topic, you suggest that they were the contemporaries of man. We have solidified fossils of dinosaurs embedded in rock matrix yet there are no such modern human fossils found yet. Add to that the fact that the fossilization process takes more than 6,000 years to happen and your contentions fall apart.

It must be noted that God is perfect in science. At the website, the challenge is to the pseudo science that has fogged Marvin’s mind and robbed him and others from the beautiful blessing of truth and salvation. God’s Word is truth. I should also note that there are various scientific organizations that endorse the scientific creation model of the scriptures. One in particular has over 700 members holding masters degrees or higher in the field of science who endorse the Biblical precept of a young earth that was created by God.

When the foundation of a person’s understanding is in error, the entire structure of their knowledge is in jeopardy. When 2+2=5, all mathematical findings will be wrong, no matter how eloquent the presentation. A case in point is the doctrine of uniformitarianism, which is fundamental to the theory of evolution. The adherents to the doctrine of uniformitarianism claim, "the present is the key to the past." Basically, they claim that the geological process in which we are operating in the present, operated the same way in the past. The evolutionary dating techniques are built upon this faulty foundation. The uniformitarians reject the fact of geological catastrophism, such as the global flood that occurred in the days of Noah and is supported by flood strata that encompasses the vast majority of the world. It rejects the instant entrance of Adam into the world, who appears to have history behind him, but was only seconds old and it also rejects it for the creation of the earth and the universe, etc. The following excerpt is from the research of Whitcomb and Morris in the book The Genesis Flood:

The present widely accepted system of uniformitarianism in historical geology, with its evolutionary basis and bias, has been shown to be utterly inadequate to explain most of the important geologic phenomena. Present rates and processes simply cannot account for the great bulk of the geologic data. Some form of catastrophism is clearly indicated by the vast evidences of volcanism, diastrophism, glaciation, coal and oil and mineral deposits, fossilization, vast beds of sediments, and most of the other dominant features of the earth’s crust. When this fact is once recognized, it can then be seen that even the supposed evidences of great geologic age can be reinterpreted to correlate well with the much more compelling evidence of violent and rapid activity and formation.

Marvin challenges the concept of man living contemporaneously with dinosaurs and claims no fossil evidence links their existence. Marvin has been reading faulty information. Human footprints have frequently been found in ancient strata. What appears fully to be human footprints have been found in rock from as early as the Carboniferous Period. This of course doesn’t jive well with evolutionary theology, because man is only supposed to be as old as about a million years, but the Carboniferous Period is purported to have occurred some 250,000,000 years ago.

The following excerpts are from the periodical Scientific American, in an article written by Albert Ingalls titled, "The Carboniferous Mystery." It is referring to human footprints and it reads:

On sites reaching from Virginia and Pennsylvania, through Kentucky, Illinois, Missouri and westward toward the Rocky Mountains, prints similar to those shown above [he’s referring to several accompanying pictures], and from 5 to 10 inches long, have been found on the surface of exposed rocks, and more and more keep turning up as the years go by.

Again Ingalls states:

If man, or even his ape ancestor, or even that ape ancestor’s early mammalian ancestor, existed as far back as in the Carboniferous Period in any shape, then the whole science of geology is so completely wrong that all the geologists will resign their jobs and take up truck driving. Hence, for the present at least, science rejects the attractive explanation that man made these mysterious prints in the mud of the Carboniferous Period with his feet.

Ingalls and his colleagues reject this information because it contradicts their preconceived notions, notions that are simply not provable, because they’re not true.

Roland Bird, a paleontologist from the American Museum of Natural History, examined rocks bearing remarkable human footprints that were discovered in a Cretaceous (claimed to be around 100,000,000 years old) limestone formation near Glen Rose, Texas. The following is his statement as published in a 1939 issue of Natural History.

Yes, they apparently were real enough. Real as rock could be...the strangest things of their kind I had ever seen. On the surface of each was splayed the near-likeness of a human foot, perfect in every detail. But each imprint was 15 inches long! [End of quote]

Genesis, chapter 6, verse 4, "There were giants in the earth in those days;" See "Giants on the Earth" on this website.

In spite of these findings and the discovery of similar giant human footprints found near Mt. Whitney in California, near White Sands in New Mexico, in Arizona and in other places, the uniformitarians refuse to accept it. Remember, these are the people who date the age of the strata in which a fossil is found by the age of the index fossil found in it; and then in turn, date the fossil by the age of the strata in which it’s found. With this circular reasoning, how can they determine what the age actually is? I recommended that they forget truck driving as their new vocation, if they can’t get this simple logic straight.

Doctor Carl Baugh and his research team have uncovered 208 dinosaur footprints with 57 human footprints within those footprints, in a research project carried out in Glenrose, Texas. According to Doctor Baugh:

We have evidence man and dinosaurs lived contemporaneously. Leading evolutionary scholars Mildy and Schaffersmen admitted that if dinosaurs and man lived together it totally destroys the concept of evolution. [End of quote]

Concerning radiometric techniques, evolutionist William Sansfield had this to say:

It is obvious now that radiometric techniques may not be the absolute dating methods they’re claimed to be. Age estimates on a given geological stratum by different radiometric methods are often different sometimes by 100s of millions of years. [End of quote]

Finally, on the subject of age, leading evolutionary scholar Frederick Jueneman, had this to say in his article titled, "Secular Catastrophism," printed in Industrial Research and Development:

There’s been in recent years the horrible realization that radio decay rates are not as constant as previously thought, nor are they immune to environmental influences and this could mean that atomic clocks are reset during some global disaster, and events which brought the mesozoic (age of the dinosaurs) to a close, may not be 65 million years old but rather within the age and memory of man. [End of quote]

Marvin says:

Add to that the fact that the fossilization process takes more than 6,000 years to happen and your contentions fall apart. [End of quote]

Concerning fossilization, Alfred Romer had this to say in Natural History:

Just because something is ’fossilized’ does not mean that it is millions (or even thousands) of years old. When the conditions and materials are right, a bone can be filled with minerals fairly quickly...researchers have found chicken bones and wood can be replaced with minerals in just five to ten years.

Many fossilized objects have been found that have been fossilized in the past few hundred years. The following information concerning a cowboy boot and fossilized leg is from this website www.bible.ca:

The rubber-soled boot with petrified cowboy (human) leg, bones and all was found in a dry creek bed near the West Texas town of Iraan, about 1980, by Mr. Jerry Stone, an employee of Corvette oil company.The boot was hand made by the M. L. Leddy boot company of San Angelo, Texas, which began manufacturing boots in 1936. Gayland Leddy, nephew of the founder, grew up in the boot business and now manages Boot Town in Garland, Texas. He recognized the "number 10 stitch pattern" used by his uncle’s company where he worked for many years. Mr. Leddy believes the boot was made in the early 1950s. Only the contents of the boot are fossilized, not the boot itself, demonstrating that some materials fossilize more readily than others. The bones of the partial leg and foot within the boot were revealed by an elaborate set of C.T. Scans performed at Harris Methodist Hospital in Bedford, Texas, on July 24, 1997. The Radiologic Technician was Evelyn Americus, AART. A complete set of these scans remains with the boot at the Creation Evidence Museum in Glen Rose, Texas.

Finally, a personal (public) note to Marvin. Click on to the following subject on this website, "Can You Answer Three Questions?" In addition, these following website subjects deal with our discussion:

Dinosaurs

6,000-Year-Old Earth

Evolution is Dead...They Just Forgot to Bury the Corpse

Noah’s Ark—Fact or Fiction?

Noah II

In closing, let me repeat a line from Ingalls:

If man, or even his ape ancestor, or even that ape ancestor’s early mammalian ancestor, existed as far back as in the Carboniferous Period in any shape, then the whole science of geology is so completely wrong that all the geologists will resign their jobs and take up truck driving.

Gentlemen, start your engines.

GOD SAID, Genesis 1:1:

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Exodus 20, verse 11:

For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God created all things, and according to the scriptures, he did it in just over 6,000 years ago.

MAN SAID, "Foolishness! We evolved out of nothing over billions of years."

Now you have THE RECORD.



References:

King James Bible

Baugh, C.E., PhD, Creation Video Series, Creation Evidences Museum, Glen Rose, Texas

Gish, D.T., Evolution. The Fossils Say No! Creation Life Publications, 1979

Jueneman, F.B., "Secular Catastrophism," Industrial Research and Development, vol. 24, June 1982, p 21

Romer, A.S., Natural History, October 1959, vol. 68, p 457

Whitcomb & Morris, The Genesis Flood, Presbyterian & Reformed Publishing Co., 1961

"Young Earth Evidence: Rapid Petrifaction," http://www.bible.ca/tracks/rapid-fossils-rapid-petrifaction.htm

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